Curse

Etheral · Nov 17, 2006, 10:53 AM // 10:53

do it tommorow its 3 day extra drop for greens

Curse You · Nov 17, 2006, 10:48 PM // 22:48

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Originally Posted by morbis

another build that works is the aformentioned killing all the mobs around him, sending them away and going back with your midnight n/me

I just tried killing him. First with my 55hp necro hybrid, then by killing everything around him and using midnight N/Me. Neither worked.

Edit: My 55hp Necro hybrid does work, you just die as soon as the boss dies, probably from the moral boost.

shardfenix · Nov 17, 2006, 11:47 PM // 23:47

Funny, cause I killed the boss accidently once with a team of 7 henchies and I got it on the first drop. It's all a matter of luck, and that anti farming code that Anet brilliantly wrote which resets itself when you go to international and farm *hint.*

Gaile Gray · Dec 04, 2006, 09:04 AM // 09:04

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Originally Posted by Batou of Nine

Wrong.

Other people farming the same area do not affect YOUR specific drop rate in that area, unless the person WITH you also overfarms the area.

I am sick of these silly rumors about farming nerfs and such. The ONLY thing that will affect a person's actual drop rate is that persons frequency of farming the same location/boss. If you do it too often and too frequent you will physically get a message about it.

Each persons explorable/farmable zone is instanced, so they alone affect their drop rate.

For the OP specifically, i can guarantee that the boss had dropped the green at LEAST once, likewise i can guarantee that one of your heroes got it, and since we don't get to see what henchies and heroes get from drops, you may never know...

Honestly, if you want the best chances, assimilate a solo build or a 2 man build, go with a friend and farm him at MOST 20 times in a row. This might even trigger the code. At the end of that run do a mission, then come back and try again. Also, rather then zoning out when going for another run, type /resign instead, this somehow helps to delay the farming code.

So, once again, the person ALONE is responsible for THEIR drop rates from areas...

cheers!

Well said, Batou! You've explained things very well indeed!

I have to admit, I've been making a few *cough* runs into the Resplendant Makuun myself, as I'm intent on getting Darksong for my Paragon. I don't know why I think she needs it, but I do.

To the OP -- I think I've tried even more times than you, and I have to remind myself, "Green drops are very unusual" and that helps me to be a bit more patient. Good luck to you!

twicky_kid · Dec 04, 2006, 09:45 AM // 09:45

Just got there today. First time killing the boss EVER he dropped it. Full party of henches.

Sorry bout the bad luck.

wilebill · Dec 04, 2006, 01:46 PM // 13:46

Matter of luck. I went out with 3 heroes, 2 hench, got it third try. A friend was with a group just adventuring around the map, and got it while in a full party of 8.

Thought I might make some plat farming it, but have not seen it drop since then.

Alleji · Dec 04, 2006, 03:02 PM // 15:02

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Originally Posted by LitoBoi

Alot of People farming for that green item = Lower chance of getting it...

Complete BS. Or, to put it politely, that's an urban legend. Nobody ever supplied any proof for that.

It's all chance. During the 3x drop weekend I soloed that giant that drops Deathleather Longbow a while. Took me 13 runs before he dropped the first bow. Solo. 3x drops. I was getting pretty annoyed. Later on, I got FOUR bows in a row.

Myria · Dec 04, 2006, 03:21 PM // 15:21

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Originally Posted by Alleji

Complete BS. Or, to put it politely, that's an urban legend. Nobody ever supplied any proof for that.

There's a difference between speculation, urban legend, and BS. The idea that there is a global drop rate is speculative, to be sure, but far from being BS. In the end pretty much everything that's known about drop rates and anti-farming code is speculation. Your belief that drop rate is purely individual is just as speculative as the notion of a global limit. Unfortunately there's no practical way to test and determine which theory is correct and as it's doubtful that the devs will ever enlighten us on the subject we probably never really will know for sure.

weaver keras · Dec 04, 2006, 03:27 PM // 15:27

I went with a full team and killed him; got my green drop, I then decided to try it again and got another from him (tried it further 5 time and got nothing, so its definately luck).

blaise · Dec 04, 2006, 04:36 PM // 16:36

I Got one Green in my life, and it was when i didnt farmed LOL
i was doing qeust killed Sskai and got green i was like WTF WOOT TOOOT still worth 50k happy as RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO and when i farmed greens never got one lol

Dynamis Metatron · Dec 04, 2006, 04:56 PM // 16:56

So far I've received 2 green drops, Lunto's Pincers and Eshau's Spear.
Luntos was first time ever killing him.
I farmed Eshau 2 hours one night an nothing a couple nights later, I killed him in passing and he dropped the spear, with a full party of heroes/henchmen.

Who the heck knows =/

countesscorpula · Dec 04, 2006, 05:39 PM // 17:39

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Originally Posted by shadowmist

I think that the first few times you farmed the green with your heroes, one of them got the drop. Then the drop rate went down and the chance of drop just never occured. Either that, or you're just unlucky. I got a Deathbringer scythe to drop for me when I was just capping the elite skill from a boss, so I don't think the drop rate is all that low. (7 bosses with henchies/heroes (the 5 avatars, grenth's grasp, and reaper's strike I think) and got 1 green)

i got my death bringer the same way. I wasn't even looking for it. I got a necro wand from someplace else in the game while with Henchies too. So, henchies wont always steal your green, but you wont get one as regularly as if you solo'd it. As to posting a solo build... I will never post a solo build on any fansite that A-net reads. It's like saying "please come and nerf my skills so i can't do this anymore."

twicky_kid · Dec 04, 2006, 06:45 PM // 18:45

OP if you really want darksong I'll give you mine. Its no use to me and I have plenty of plat.

Also hate selling things so probly would just sit in my inventory anyways.

Paperfly · Dec 05, 2006, 01:23 AM // 01:23

Heh, threadomancy from Gaile!

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I find it astonishing how few people have wised up to greyed-out-hero farming when it comes to greens. Seriously, what is with people still forming 5-man teams? Two should be the absolute maximum ('cause if you can't kill a boss who's on his own with two human players there's something fundamentally wrong with your farming build).

...For those of you who are looking at me with bemusement, heroes (and henchies) don't take drops when they're so far away from you that their names are 'greyed out' on the bar. Which you can now guarantee, thanks to the handy-dandy flag placement system!

Simply take a full hench-party up to the boss, kill his bodyguard, then put your location flag somewhere well and truly out of the way. Solo (or 'duo') the boss, zone, and repeat until he drops the goods.

Phaern Majes · Dec 05, 2006, 01:26 AM // 01:26

Hmmm I have my doubts but its easily tested.....

EDIT: I did your "greyed out" farm and solo'ed the boss (after my heros were standing nearly clear across the map) and guess what the boss dropped? Nothing. Now if this had worked he would of dropped something even if it were only gold.

birdfoot · Dec 05, 2006, 02:56 PM // 14:56

Perhaps ANet should have a write-up on the facts about drops etc and put it on their GW website, I think it makes things less confusing for starting players. 6 months ago when I started GW, I actually found items in GW quite confusing. Sure fansites have all these info, but not every player actually visited fansites; quite a number of players I've met in-game didn't even know about GuildWiki when I asked them if they've check for info up there.

Eviance · Dec 05, 2006, 03:47 PM // 15:47

I like how Gaile ressurected an old thread XD
And I personally am hoping for crappy green drops from the charr bosses in pre XP
And yes I recall farming greens and never getting anything and then suddenly getting Brohns Staff... I think thats the only green that has ever dropped for me -_- Most of mine have either been given to me by guildies or I have gone out and bought them.
Oh no... I did get Villnars Staff right before NF came out while I was out capping... basically worthless and I already have one >_<

*Darcy* · Dec 05, 2006, 07:14 PM // 19:14

@birdfoot - ANet will probably never explain drop rates or anti-farming codes any better than they have to date. Explanations would help the bot writers a lot more than regular players.

Bastian · Dec 05, 2006, 08:01 PM // 20:01

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Originally Posted by Batou of Nine

Wrong.

Other people farming the same area do not affect YOUR specific drop rate in that area, unless the person WITH you also overfarms the area.

I am sick of these silly rumors about farming nerfs and such. The ONLY thing that will affect a person's actual drop rate is that persons frequency of farming the same location/boss. If you do it too often and too frequent you will physically get a message about it.

Each persons explorable/farmable zone is instanced, so they alone affect their drop rate.

For the OP specifically, i can guarantee that the boss had dropped the green at LEAST once, likewise i can guarantee that one of your heroes got it, and since we don't get to see what henchies and heroes get from drops, you may never know...

Honestly, if you want the best chances, assimilate a solo build or a 2 man build, go with a friend and farm him at MOST 20 times in a row. This might even trigger the code. At the end of that run do a mission, then come back and try again. Also, rather then zoning out when going for another run, type /resign instead, this somehow helps to delay the farming code.

So, once again, the person ALONE is responsible for THEIR drop rates from areas...

cheers!

What proof do you have of this?

From my experience I found that the greater the area is farmed - the less chance for rare or green items to drop.

This is based off of the following experiences:

1. The drops by monsters in off hours is much better than drops by monsters in peak hours - of which I probably farm more in off hours. (That would make your math backwards, because you are saying that drop rates are reduced by more farming, not less)

2. If a monster, on average, drops a green x times in y hours, then the greater number of people farming that area means they are reducing the probability of actually receiving that green.

3. Just because the explorable areas are instances does not mean, a priori, that the drop rates are instanced as well. Drop rates could be global, and without proof from someone that wrote the code for the game, I cannot believe what you are saying to be true.

My biggest problem with this post, is that you claim that you are without a doubt, correct. You have no idea - and basing your claim around some criteria which don't necessarily affect anything about drop rates is quite absurd.

Cheers!

Bastian · Dec 05, 2006, 08:15 PM // 20:15

Sorry, duplicate post...